Everybody keeps telling me that they would be in favor of using RSS 1.0 or RSS 2.0 as the object/data model for Atom API, but that they don't think it's feasible, as the community is anti-RDF. Well, I'm anti-RDF, but I'd prefer RDF to the current Atom syntax. Why re-invent the wheel? Why not respect prior art?
Yes, we all laugh when we hear the term "Semantic Web", but that doesn't mean RSS 1.0 is bad. Sure it has semantics that we don't think will ever take off, but why not give the Semantic Web a chance, regardless of whether you know or not that it's doomed. Give RDF a chance. To think, iM the one that is calling for re-use of RDF. Give me a break!
Why not use RDF? Cause RDF doesn't have constructs that are in the Atom syntax? Then write an extension module and get on w/ writing application instead of re-inventing the wheel. More spec. More spec. More spec. Three syndication formats. Three blogging APIs. Three Web RPCs.
The solution is to merge RSS 1.0 w/ the Atom initiative. Give the whole pie to the IETF and let them (the working group) figure it out.
Update: I think today I finally realized the problem w/ RDF. Talking via several forums w/ RDF people, they don't seem very convinced in RDF. Although they tout, they shy away quickly. There's no real passion in what they are doing. They seem to have a doubt that the RDF thing can work. That's too bad. Dave Winer has passion. I guess that's why he won.
Ignore the RDFism behing RDF Site Summary. Focus on the syntax of RDF. It's not that horrifying. Maybe a little ;)
Randy
Randy, the bigger point you were making was that discontinuities suck. I wanted to say something about it, and give people on my blog a chance to comment, so I linked to it.
I also thought your ideas deserve attention because the current approach to Atom is just one of several that should be considered. It's as if a decision has been made by consensus. Nothing could be further from the truth. I wonder how we're going to communicate that to the people who evaluate Sam's proposal to the IETF. Sam sure ain't gonna tell them that there are quite a few approaches that were shouted down by a handful of people who camp out on the mail list and the Wiki. I can't afford the time or money to fly to Korea to tell them personally.
Randy: looking at what you cited, I don't see an ad hominems or personal attacks, though I appreciate, being on the receiving end of the posts, you might have a different POV.
I like the fact that we're discussing syndication and no one's broken out the ICBMs yet in this thread. :)
Just to balance the thread :) CDF (1 ICBM) Sucks!
Randy
I think the lack of ICBMs is from the panzy blue borders :)
Randy
Do we have to go to Korea to be part of Atom?
Seems like a pretty bad idea.
Was that voted on somewhere?
Interesting thoughts. I have to agree w/ the mailing list comment :) By the way, IETF isn't stupid. If enough opinion is voiced, then they will listen.
Randy
>>If enough opinion is voiced
Good. The key thing is to gather the opinion in a way that no one can say they weren't heard, or their ideas were erased, or shouted down.
Basically an alternate proposal should be made to the IETF that says there are other approaches for an IETF-endorsed format and protocol for weblogs that have significant support. I don't think they'll be swayed by the size of Google, or the niceness of the personalities of the proponents of the Ruby-Pilgrim approach. (And we all know that some of them aren't so nice.)
The shouting-down approach to consenus-building is not something that IETF should support, imho.
I think there needs to be an effort to guard against certification by the IETF of Atom. As much as the Atom group wishes it, the direction is dictated by few. For instance, iM on vacation and it looks like SOAP support is being removed. Convenient timing.
Randy
"iM on vacation and it looks like SOAP support is being removed. Convenient timing."
If you're implying that people are planning these decisions around your vacation, and that you alone could have stopped them had you been availble, then you are even more arrogant than most of us would have ever guessed.
that's another nap for lm0 and looks like b needs one too :)
Randy
Hate to tell you, but niether was from "lm0" or "b", whoever they are.
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